Emailing Knox Files?

Is it possible to email know files? How?
Is it possible to email knox files to people? If so, can they open the files on a PC?

I tried emailing a 1MB test vault to myself but the file would never attach. Am I doing something wrong or is email not an option?

If email isn't an option, does anyone have a preferred method for transferring knox files to others? It would be great if you could use this to send tax docs this time of year to a PC user stuck in the 90s.

Thanks

Comments

  • khadkhad Social Choreographer

    AgileBits Team Member
    edited April 2011
    Welcome to the forums, Cayman!

    Since Knox uses Apple's encrypted sparse bundle technology, the files cannot be opened on a PC. At least, there is no method of which I am aware. If you need to email them to another Mac user, you can compress the vault before sending it (File > Compress). The resulting ZIP file will contain the entire bundle. Please be aware of file size limits imposed by your email provider, though. You probably won't be able to send a 2 GB vault via email. :-)

    I hope that helps. Please let me know if you have any additional questions or concerns.

    Cheers!
  • bswinsbswins Agile Customer Care
    edited June 2011
    Didn't see this thread until today, so, I'm sorry for the late bump.

    @Cayman -- I use Dropbox for sharing my zipped Knox files with another iMac. When sharing, I create a new vault with the minimum size needed for the files in question, and then I compress and send it to the cloud. I haven't had any problems with method so far, and it is a good way to avoid e-mailing (both for attachment limitations and file security).

    Of course, as Khad mentioned, I do not believe a PC user would be able to open the file. So, for now, perhaps you could use Dropbox to sync the individual files without the Knox encryption. You could always create encrypted PDFs if it makes you feel more secure.

    If anyone believes my method is unsafe or otherwise unsound, please let me know.
  • bswinsbswins Agile Customer Care
    edited June 2011
    Stu,

    Thanks for the reply. I don't mind you bursting my bubble. Actually, I'm glad you did. I wouldn't want to continue a bad practice purely out of ignorance.

    To clarify, I do not store my vaults in Dropbox as a permanent location. I only use Dropbox to transfer the large file instead of using e-mail. Once the file is downloaded on the other Mac, the temporary vault is deleted.

    However, from your explanation, it appears that uploading the file for even a very small time frame could cause problems.

    Could I avoid issues during the upload to Dropbox/download to other Mac issue by zipping the vault prior to upload? The vault is only needed for a temporary trip through the cloud.

    Then again, perhaps the best answer is to rely on Dropbox's encryption and upload each file individually. No need to create problems where the benefit is not worth the risk.

    Regardless, I appreciate the insight.

    Brandt
  • bswinsbswins Agile Customer Care
    edited June 2011
    Thanks Stu. Your comments do help....quite a bit, actually.

    I've been following Jim's Jeff's Forum posts and Blogs with great interest ever since the Dropbox revelation. Since a majority of the 1P community's worries concern the security of the 1Password.agilekeychain, I've been very comforted by Jim's Jeff's and the rest of the AWS team's comments to assuage my 1Password fears. Mission accomplished.

    However, as you alluded, that there has been intense discussion regarding Dropbox's ability to decrypt user's files. Consequently, I started using the knox.sparse.bundle method to quickly transfer "sensitive" files. I don't trust PDF and/or MS Office password protection very much, but that opinion is based on very limited knowledge of encryption methods. So, perhaps I'm just being paranoid. Then again, that paranoia brought me to your company, so I'll give my ignorance a break.

    As I mentioned, I have monitored Jim's Jeff's comments on the Dropbox matter. However, I am a true layman when it comes to what the true risks may be. It appears that transferring a zipped version of Knox files avoids the synching problems that you mentioned in your first reply, and it offers protection against possible Dropbox decryption.

    I can't think of any files I have that require that extreme protection, but it is good to know that the zipped-knox.sparse.bundle method is a reliable alternative. Of course, this feeling is based on the assumption the Knox's encryption method is as robust as IP's. So far, nothing I've read on the Forum indicates otherwise.

    Thanks again for your comments on the matter. I feel better having heard your views.

    Brandt
  • khadkhad Social Choreographer

    AgileBits Team Member
    It appears that transferring a zipped version of Knox files avoids the synching problems that you mentioned in your first reply, and it offers protection against possible Dropbox decryption.

    A Knox vault ZIP compressed is probably the safest, most secure option. :-)

    Knox uses the encrypted disk image technology built into OS X with strong AES protection. Your files are safe, just don't forget the password. image' />
  • bswinsbswins Agile Customer Care
    edited June 2011
    Thanks for the confirmation Khad.

    As for forgetting my password, don't worry. I use this really cool software called 1Password. You should check it out. :)
  • khadkhad Social Choreographer

    AgileBits Team Member
    That made me literally laugh out loud. Thanks for that. :-P
  • bswinsbswins Agile Customer Care
    edited May 2011
    khad wrote:

    That made me literally laugh out loud. Thanks for that. :-P


    Thought you would appreciate that one! biggrin.gif

    These late nights are killers, aren't they? Wait, you're in LA. I guess it's still relatively early on the Left Coast.
  • khadkhad Social Choreographer

    AgileBits Team Member
    It's all relative. I only ended up getting a very small number of hours of sleep last night/this morning. :-)

    I should probably begin to wind down even now.
  • brentybrenty

    AgileBits Team Member
    bswins wrote:

    These late nights are killers, aren't they? Wait, you're in LA. I guess it's still relatively early on the Left Coast.


    Out here we call that the Wrong Coast (cause this is the Right One, baby. Uh huh.) image' />

    Also, I think you guys mean Jeff. He is so awesome, though, that I can see why you'd confuse him with Jim. ;)
  • bswinsbswins Agile Customer Care
    Out here we call that the Wrong Coast (cause this is the Right One, baby. Uh huh.) image' />

    I'm down in NC, so perhaps it's a southern thing. Not sure why we say "Left" vs. "Wrong", but I'm sure our west coast brethren have some colorful terminology for our coast. :)

    I think you guys mean Jeff. He is so awesome, though, that I can see why you'd confuse him with Jim. ;)

    Indeed, I did mean Jeff. I corrected the post, but I left the evidence of my heresy.

    Not sure where "Jim" came from, but I know Jeff is aware that I know his name. Regardless, I do appreciate the "out" you offered me, and I must agree that I do see the similarity to AB's Chief Defender.

    Thanks Brent. Nice one. ;)
  • brentybrenty

    AgileBits Team Member
    edited May 2011
    bswins wrote:

    I'm down in NC, so perhaps it's a southern thing. Not sure why we say "Left" vs. "Wrong", but I'm sure our west coast brethren have some colorful terminology for our coast. :)


    I haven't actually heard anyone else call it that. I just do it to harass khad. Because that is my job. :P


    Indeed, I did mean Jeff. I corrected the post, but I left the evidence of my heresy.

    Not sure where "Jim" came from, but I know Jeff is aware that I know his name. Regardless, I do appreciate the "out" you offered me, and I must agree that I do see the similarity to AB's Chief Defender.

    Thanks Brent. Nice one. ;)


    Maybe we can just call him "Chief" to avoid having to remember his name. image' />
  • bswinsbswins Agile Customer Care
    I just do it to harass khad. Because that is my job. :P

    Ah, yes. Brothers: the gift the keeps on giving...for all eternity! :)

    we can just call him "Chief" to avoid having to remember his name. image' />

    That works for me. Certainly, it is better than "dada" (defender against the dark arts).

    However, if we don't watch out, he'll ask both of us to start calling him Mr. Goldberg. :)
  • jpgoldbergjpgoldberg Agile Customer Care

    AgileBits Team Member
    bswins wrote:

    However, if we don't watch out, he'll ask both of us to start calling him Mr. Goldberg. :)

    Just don't call me late for dinner.
  • bswinsbswins Agile Customer Care
    jpgoldberg wrote:

    Just don't call me late for dinner.


    Apparently, you've got that covered. :) Got to go...
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