Feedback on the new 1Password mini

I don't know if you all seen it yet, but open up iTunes or the Mac App Store, and bring up the mini.

I'm going to give it some time to adjust personally, but one thing I already don't like is it being untethered. Previously I knew that if I clicked in it in the browser, the menu would be right there, if I did it from the menu bar, boom there's the menu right there.
Now it's just in one place. On a 4k display with my browser on the left, it's either going to be way over to the right if I leave it by the menu, or over to the left if I leave it there (but won't adjust position when I change the browser size).
My guess is it's designed to sit in the middle of the screen?

@mlebarron: By default, yes. Now, I don't want to tell you how to live your life, but I have to say that whenever I've used a large display, I've really enjoyed using keyboard navigation for this reason. No matter what you do, with that much screen real estate, the mouse is going to be far, far away from something. So while you're not wrong, and you can move 1Password mini pretty much anywhere you want it, I think you'll find that using the keyboard helps you much more than anything we can do to improve mouse navigation in that context. Definitely give it a try. We'll continue to work on improving both, and over time I think we can probably meet in the middle, with you getting used to some changes and us making it easier to work with. Cheers! :)

@danvpeterson says: “...the old mini was pretty great but any time you wanted to do something beyond that [a quick search and fill] it broke down for many people.” In my opinion, “something beyond” a quick search is what the main application is for.

@verdi1987: I tend to agree with you...but I interact with many people on a daily basis for whom the main 1Password app effectively does not exist. A lot of people have installed only an extension expecting to use 1Password that way. With 1Password X, that's now actually possible in many cases. And it's been very popular as a result. And even when people are using 1Password for Mac in the technical sense that they have it installed and that runs the browser extension, a large portion of the 1Password userbase opens the main app window rarely if at all. So while there's still room for improvement, I do think this is the direction we need to go to make the power of 1Password more accessible to people where they use it most — in their browser. I think it's important that we take into consideration how people actually use 1Password, as that will help more people...which of course is why we're putting it out here for you folks to test and provide feedback. Thank you for doing so! :)

But after some time working with it, I realize its power. Chances are great that you don't have to use 1password main window that often. Give it some time to get used to it! Information you don't need (categories, tags, smart folders) can be disabled in an easy way.

@Holgerr: Thanks for the feedback! Indeed, I think it's a bit unfair as we've had more time to play with it ourselves. It's definitely different, and has both pros and cons. I think the best thing is for us all to live with it a bit, and then we'll be able to see what areas really need improving still, and also the ways that it can help our workflows to be able to do more there. I feel it's a bit big sometimes too, but I love that I can do a quick edit to an item inline — no opening the main window, or using a popout with a tiny (x) I have to click to close it after. Cheers! :)

I agree that the new “mini” is just too heavy. But l love the direction of the new “Suggestions” feature. My suggestion would be to return it to a smaller, single column UI that shows the ”Login” for the current website, then ”Identities”, “Credit Cards”, and then “Password Generator”. And underneath all that a mechanism to navigate the entire 1PW vault via submenus. That would be the best of both worlds IMO.

@OAW: I'm personally a bit relieved to get away from the flyout menus, which always felt a bit slower than I liked, but we'll see if we can make it more compact. I suspect that most of the folks wishing for this are using Macs at the smaller end of the spectrum. Cheers! :)

Before I could click on the browser extension and the pop out would be directly attached under it for me to select my login or a password to generate. Now the pop out is separated and showing up closer to the middle of my screen (I'm using a large 2560 x 1440 screen) which means I now have to move my mouse much further to click anything.

@jsugarstuff: Definitely check out my earlier reply to mlebarron. ⌘ ⌥ \ gives you easy access to a focused 1Password mini at any time, and this can really increase your efficiency on a large screen since you don't have to move the mouse at all.

The new mini is also much busier. Before I could directly see the information I wanted cleanly... Logins showing first, then the options to use password generator or list my credit cards. Now everything is showing, including my long list of credit cards every time I use mini, which I don't need to, nor want to see.

That's fair. There's a lot of information there, because we want everyone to have what they need right at their fingertips — literally, in the case of keyboard navigation! But perhaps we can deemphasize some of it to make the focus clearer. We just want to make sure that you can also see clearly what you're looking for.

I'm a bit confused about the reference to credit cards though, as those will show up under the list of logins for the current page, or in the search results if you've typed something in. Let me know!

If I wanted the functions of the full app, I'd open the full app (which is as easy as pressing the hotkey for Spotlight and typing 1p). [...] A solution may be to create customization options so people can customize their view if they don't like the busy default view or floating pop out.

I'm with you on preferring to use the main 1Password app for more complex stuff, and I even use Spotlight to open it too! But there are two things that are important: 1) not everyone uses 1Password the way we do, and many people use mini exclusively; and 2) a lot of this is just habit: I felt the same way at first, because I was used to doing more with the mouse and the main app out of necessity. But after using the new 1Password mini for a while (it's only been a day, so give it some time!) I find myself using the main window less and less. Often I just want to make a quick edit — a note in a login, for example, or saving a additional URL — and I can do that in mini now. These days I really only open the main window when I am going through and organizing things. I'm interested to hear what you think in the coming weeks and months. :)

The pop out is no longer attached to the icon,

@Vitorino: You can move it to the location you want and it will remember the position. Definitely give it a try! Or, better yet, keep in mind that it doesn't matter where 1Password is; you can always use ⌘ ⌥ \ to open mini, and it will be focused so you can start typing to search for something — and select what you want with the arrow keys. Much quicker.

and is not longer MINI is huge with the left bar!!! Why!!! The old design was completely right, why the change!!! Is a step backwards.

It may be that it was a good fit for you, or that you were simply accustomed to it, but we wanted to make mini more powerful because many people only use 1Password that way. We'll continue to refine the design though, so the feedback is greatly appreciated! :)

The new mini window is far much to large
not necessary for me
include an option to have reduce size or large to let us decide which one is proper for our us

@Gilles9: We're hearing similar things from both customers and team members using 13" and smaller displays. Thanks for letting us know! We'll see what we can do to make it a bit more space-efficient. :)

ref: apple-1299

A radical move, this new "mini" view.

@Kobes:

Sorry, couldn't resist! :pirate:

I must say, I was shocked as well. But also seriously want to give it a shot. I have already seen a couple of improved uses here and going back will make that harder. [...] By the way, I am not saying that everything is perfect on this 'mini' update, but in general I like the direction taken.

Thanks for coming with us on this journey! I was a bit surpassed too at first, but a LOVE being able to edit right in mini. Often that's all I want to do quickly, and it seems like overkill to open the main 1Password window. I think it'll grow on you, but we're also anxious to hear if you have any suggestions on how we can make it better. :)

thanks for the pointer to the feature. I was not aware. Unfortunately, though, for me it does not work. When I click the move item to trash button, nothing happens. I guess that is a bug, so hopefully that will also come across in this passionate thread about the new 'mini'. :)

Hmm. I'm able to use the Move to Trash button in mini, but it opens the main 1Password window to confirm. So it's more of a shortcut than allowing you to do it right from mini. Can you tell me about your setup? What macOS and vault type is involved — e.g. 1Password.com, OPVault?

+1 on the suggestion by @TonyHall for making the watchtower banner collapsible. If we can do that on an item-per-item basis from within 'mini', then it does not need another 'setting' of sorts (as @Lars's comment seems to suggest), which would lead to a terrible trade off (never see important warnings because you want to hide some).

Thanks for your feedback on this! I'm not sure what the best solution will be, but it's something we'll look into. :)

ref: apple-1296

I like the direction of the new design, mostly that the credit cards and identities are always visible and you don't have to click to see more than 5 items. I would appreciate greater contrast than what's currently present with the thin black font on a dark-ish gray background (especially with the light gray font of the url) when using the light theme. Same with the dark theme actually, be nice if the font was thicker/bolder. Oh and I also like that the transparency is gone!

@andmade: Thanks for the feedback — affirmative and critical! Glad you're liking the new 1Password mini, and we'll continue to make it even better over time. :)

I had a quick play (I'm not a designer, so may be demonstrating my ignorance) but by reducing the icon size and tweaking the positioning of the various elements you can display a little more useful information.

@TonyHall: I think there's probably something we can do, even within the constraints of the platform. Thanks for the suggestions! :)

I've also reduced the Watchtower banner to a status bar (it irritates me that this large and distracting warning will permanently persist, unscrollable, even tho' it's beyond my control to fix :) ). As an addition to the persistent Watchtower 'Unsecured Website' warning... There's already a preference setting to turn off 2FA warnings (which can also alternatively be hidden by tagging items as "2FA"); so two ways to avoid undesired 2FA warnings, but no way to exclude these unsecured websites banners. To be clear, I'm grateful that these warnings exist in the main app, I just feel they are overkill in 1P midi. Warn me once but allow me to make the decision to not be bothered by the persistent banners. I can always review the status of the numerous unsecured websites through the excellent Watchtower in the main app. Many thanks.

Likewise, thank you for your thoughtful feedback on this! I tend to agree with you. We've got some issues filed, and while I'm not certain what will be the best approach, those are great examples of the challenges here. Cheers! :)

ref: apple-1296, apple-1297