@rlh: When did you create the account? It may be that you did so long ago, before it was possible.

@rlh: Dang it. It's been a long time since it's come up, but I want to say it was late 2016 or something. It's account-dependant, as the key exchange (which allows for the access permissions to manage vaults) is done during signup. So it definitely wouldn't work with accounts made at launch. Mine is in this category, though it doesn't matter for my purposes. You would need to setup a new account and migrate your family and their data to it in order for it to be possible for everyone to create new shared vaults. Some people don't want this, of course, but a large majority did so it's something we changed long ago. I'm sorry for the confusion (and, potentially, hassle). If you have any questions or need help making the transition, I'll be happy to assist.

@rlh: I'd say either a new thread or email would be best, so we can focus on your setup. If you prefer the latter, just send it to support@1password.com and post the Support ID here so we can connect the dots and go from there. :)

So my bottom line is I still would like the ability to have multiple private vaults. But if the only workaround is to make them shared vaults with limited permissions, then I can make the vault for my wife faster than I can show her how to make her own. :) AND save both of us the trouble of new account creation and migration.

@rlh: Aha! I was going to re-confirm your goal before proceeding with a whole migrate-to-a-new-account thing. I don't think I can take the credit for the breakthrough, but I'm glad if some of my comments helped you get there: I do agree that it sounds like, for your purposes, not having shared (non-Personal/Private) vaults able to be created by other family members is actually a win for you. Just as a final note though, any Organizers would still be able to create them, or change their permissions. But if you are the only one then it sounds like you're good to go. Thanks for the kind words. We're here if you need anything else! :)

Maybe a little bit, I'm sure my wife could create another vault (either figuring it out herself or me quickly pointing her to what to do) but given the result would be a shared vault that would require the additional step to verify the permissions were correct (which they may be by default but one should still understand the permissions concept to know not to change things to an inappropriate state). So I reiterate my hope for multiple private vaults in the future.

@rlh: Just to clarify, no one but an Organizer would be able to create additional vaults in an account made before it was possible for "regular family members" to do that. But perhaps we'll be able to make it possible for users to have more than one Personal/Private vault in the future.

Another problem I see (and wonder if it has frustrated others) of the current status quo: all additional vaults are shared but anyone can create vaults.

To be clear, only Organizers can manage permissions on created vaults (i.e. those other than Personal/Private). We did have some feedback at first that some people did not want their (non-Organizer) family members to be able to create vaults, but overall there have been many more people glad to have that capability since then.

For my workflow, I have a second vault (shared obviously, but only I can see it) named Defunct where I throw all my old stuff that I'm just cautious enough to not delete outright. My wife would like to do the same. (Assuming my account had the ability) I'm going to guess with your current architecture, she wouldn't be able to create a vault named Defunct for herself, she'd need it to be Archive or some such. (How does 1Password tell her about name collision given she's not even aware that Defunct exists?) Multiply that by 5 Family members and you start running out of obvious, convenient names. Or has that not popped up as a problem? I can imagine lots of Family members are out there that would want vaults named Work or School of their own...

Try it. There's nothing stopping you from creating multiple vaults with the same name. It's just super confusing. You could differentiate them with unique icons, and of course give them different permissions. The important thing is to keep in mind that in your case (with an old account) only an Organizer can create and manage them. Either way, I doubt you'll run out of names unless you're making a new vault for every item, as thy can be quite diverse. ;) We've got large companies using 1Password Business though, and it comes up a bit more in that case, mainly due to UI constraints.

You're very welcome! Now to go organize my vaults... :lol:

@D4niel - it certainly seems to be something that's ardently wished-for among the small group of users who want it, and that's great! We all have passion for security in general and 1Password in particular or we wouldn't be here, and we feel lucky to have a user-base that's not shy about advocating for things they want to see (or not see) in 1Password as well. But I'm not sure I'd call it that hot of a topic -- our user base is in the millions these days and so what seems like a bustling thread in the forum still represents a tiny fraction of users.

To be clear, you CAN have as many "Personal" vaults as you wish -- but only the default vault called "Personal" has the specific property of being unable to be seen or shared by other Family Organizers. And to be clear about <-- that, the only way another Family Organizer could see the contents of a vault you created for yourself would be if they a) noticed it in the Vaults list and b) specifically chose to add themselves to the vault, without asking you. That's an unlikely scenario, and one we just don't build into the concept of 1Password Families. If users are worried that someone in their family with Family Organizer privileges would do that -- notice other family members creating vaults, and add themselves to those vaults without notifying or asking permission of the vault's creator -- there are multiple ways to solve that:

1. If you're a family member instead of a Family Organizer, you can use individual accounts instead: in an individual account you are lord and master of all you survey, and no one has the keys to your account except you. You can do this either instead of the Families account (i.e. - transfer all your data out of 1Password Families and into an individual account), or create an individual account in addition to the 1Password Families account, so you can keep other vaults 100% away from potential prying eyes.
2. If you're the Family Organizer and you're the one worried about this scenario because you made another family member an Organizer in order to enjoy the security of having someone else be able to recover your account, remove them as a Family Organizer. You'll be solely responsible for your account, just as you are with standalone 1Password or with an individual 1Password account, but no one else will be able to add themselves surreptitiously to any vaults you create.
3. Just use the default Personal vault instead of multiple vaults, but with a system of tags to keep things organized.

The bottom line here is that it's already possible for any family member (not just Family Organizers) to create new vaults for themselves, and those vaults will be entirely private unless the creator of the vault(s) in question chooses to invite other family members to share the vault(s). The ONLY way that's even potentially not the case is if a family member does not trust their Family Organizer(s) to respect their privacy; in other words: suspects that the Family Organizer(s) would take the proactive step of adding themselves to any privately-created vault. If I was in a case with that kind of lack of trust, I'd definitely be looking into an individual 1Password account, either in addition to or instead of my 1Password Families account.

@tompave: Not within the last 6 hours no, there haven't been any additional developments. ;) You already received a response from Ben in the other discussion, so I won't rehash all of that. Thanks for sharing your perspective though. Cheers! :)

Yes, Ben's comments were quite useful. I really valued his explanation on how 1Password for Business and Family can be combined (I didn't think that was possible), and he really clarified how the family plan is meant to be used

I'm glad to hear that helped.

and I realized that they've just been forgotten since they've been proposed.

They haven't been forgotten, but we also haven't decided to move forward with any of them at this time. That doesn't mean we've rejected them, just that we have other irons in the fire, and no definite decision has been made either way. As such, for the time being, I'd recommend planning your setup around the current situation that exists. We'll continue to evaluate the feedback we receive from customers to help us determine what improvements may make sense.

Ben

You're welcome :+1: :)

Ben